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Author: Henry David Thoreau (219.136.75.---)
Date:   12-01-05 22:50

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T. S. Eliot<pre>
XXVII

Weary with toil, I haste me to my bed,
The dear respose for limbs with travel tir'd;
But then begins a journey in my head
To work my mind, when body's work's expired:
For then my thoughts--from far where I abide--
Intend a zealous pilgrimage to thee,
And keep my drooping eyelids open wide,
Looking on darkness which the blind do see:
Save that my soul's imaginary sight
Presents thy shadow to my sightless view,
Which, like a jewel (hung in ghastly night,
Makes black night beauteous, and her old face new.
Lo! thus, by day my limbs, by night my mind,
For thee, and for myself, no quiet find.
--William Shakespeare</pre>
Our high respect for a well read person is praise enough for literature.
T. S. Eliot<pre>
CXXIX

The expense of spirit in a waste of shame
Is lust in action: and till action, lust
Is perjur'd, murderous, bloody, full of blame,
Savage, extreme, rude, cruel, not to trust;
Enjoy'd no sooner but despised straight;
Past reason hunted; and no sooner had,
Past reason hated, as a swallow'd bait,
On purpose laid to make the taker mad:
Mad in pursuit and in possession so;
Had, having, and in quest, to have extreme;
A bliss in proof,-- and prov'd, a very woe;
Before, a joy propos'd; behind a dream.
All this the world well knows; yet none knows well
To shun the heaven that leads men to this hell.
--William Shakespeare</pre>

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Author: John2495 (213.195.153.---)
Date:   05-11-06 16:51

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Have you seen that portrait Gaugin did of me painting sunflowers?
it was really I, but it\'s I gone mad.
Vincent Van Gogh
Every poem can be considered in two ways--as what the poet has to say, and as a thing which he makes.
C. S. Lewis, A preface to Paradise Lost<P>

To draw, you must close your eyes and sing.
Pablo Ruiz y Picasso
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Author: John6160 (193.188.77.---)
Date:   05-12-06 07:23

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T. S. EliotReality is merely an illusion, albeit a very persistent one. --Albert
Einstein<P>The glory of friendship is not the outstretched hand, nor the kindly smile, nor the joy of companionship; it is the
spiritual inspiration that comes to one when he discovers that someone else believes in him and is willing to trust him with
his friendship. --Ralph Waldo Emerson<P><P><pre>
LXVIII

Thus is his cheek the map of days outworn,
When beauty lived and died as flowers do now,
Before these bastard signs of fair were born,
Or durst inhabit on a living brow;
Before the golden tresses of the dead,
The right of sepulchres, were shorn away,
To live a second life on second head;
Ere beauty\'s dead fleece made another gay:
In him those holy antique hours are seen,
Without all ornament, itself and true,
Making no summer of another\'s green,
Robbing no old to dress his beauty new;
And him as for a map doth Nature store,
To show false Art what beauty was of yore.
--William Shakespeare</pre>
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 Very nice site!
Author: John4032 (---.notrefamille.com)
Date:   05-19-06 11:53

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CIX

O! never say that I was false of heart,
Though absence seem\'d my flame to qualify,
As easy might I from my self depart
As from my soul which in thy breast doth lie:
That is my home of love: if I have rang\'d,
Like him that travels, I return again;
Just to the time, not with the time exchang\'d,
So that myself bring water for my stain.
Never believe though in my nature reign\'d,
All frailties that besiege all kinds of blood,
That it could so preposterously be stain\'d,
To leave for nothing all thy sum of good;
For nothing this wide universe I call,
Save thou, my rose, in it thou art my all.
--William Shakespeare</pre>
Our passions are not too strong, they are too weak. We are far too easily pleased.

- C.S. Lewis, In Humanity<P>Do not worry about your difficulties in Mathematics. I can assure you
mine are still greater. --Albert Einstein<P><P>Finish each day and be done with it. You have done what you could; some blunders and absurdities have crept in; forget them
as soon as you can. Tomorrow is a new day; you shall begin it serenely and with too high a spirit to be encumbered with your
old nonsense. --Ralph Waldo Emerson<P>

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Author: John6988 (61.75.57.---)
Date:   05-20-06 07:13

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I know I\'m not in government anymore. In fact I\'m out of work.
Ronald Reagan

A man\'s got to know his limitations.
John Milius

<P>Sometimes one pays most for the things one gets for nothing. --Albert
Einstein<P><P><pre>
LXV

Since brass, nor stone, nor earth, nor boundless sea,
But sad mortality o\'ersways their power,
How with this rage shall beauty hold a plea,
Whose action is no stronger than a flower?
O! how shall summer\'s honey breath hold out,
Against the wrackful siege of battering days,
When rocks impregnable are not so stout,
Nor gates of steel so strong but Time decays?
O fearful meditation! where, alack,
Shall Time\'s best jewel from Time\'s chest lie hid?
Or what strong hand can hold his swift foot back?
Or who his spoil of beauty can forbid?
O! none, unless this miracle have might,
That in black ink my love may still shine bright.
--William Shakespeare</pre>
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 Very nice site!
Author: John4419 (211.215.224.---)
Date:   05-20-06 07:25

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Then beauty is its own excuse for being. -Ralph Waldo Emerson

I am interested in ideas, not merely in visual products.
Marcel Duchamp
<P><pre>
CVI

When in the chronicle of wasted time
I see descriptions of the fairest wights,
And beauty making beautiful old rime,
In praise of ladies dead and lovely knights,
Then, in the blazon of sweet beauty\'s best,
Of hand, of foot, of lip, of eye, of brow,
I see their antique pen would have express\'d
Even such a beauty as you master now.
So all their praises are but prophecies
Of this our time, all you prefiguring;
And for they looked but with divining eyes,
They had not skill enough your worth to sing:
For we, which now behold these present days,
Have eyes to wonder, but lack tongues to praise.
--William Shakespeare</pre>
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Every child in America should be acquainted with his own country. He should read books that furnish him with ideas that will
be useful to him in life and practice. As soon as he opens his lips, he should rehearse the history of his own country.
Noah Webster, On the Education of Youth in America, 1788

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Date:   05-20-06 09:04

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CXIX

What potions have I drunk of Siren tears,
Distill\'d from limbecks foul as hell within,
Applying fears to hopes, and hopes to fears,
Still losing when I saw myself to win!
What wretched errors hath my heart committed,
Whilst it hath thought itself so blessed never!
How have mine eyes out of their spheres been fitted,
In the distraction of this madding fever!
O benefit of ill! now I find true
That better is, by evil still made better;
And ruin\'d love, when it is built anew,
Grows fairer than at first, more strong, far greater.
So I return rebuk\'d to my content,
And gain by ill thrice more than I have spent.
--William Shakespeare</pre>
<pre>
X

For shame! deny that thou bear\'st love to any,
Who for thy self art so unprovident.
Grant, if thou wilt, thou art belov\'d of many,
But that thou none lov\'st is most evident:
For thou art so possess\'d with murderous hate,
That \'gainst thy self thou stick\'st not to conspire,
Seeking that beauteous roof to ruinate
Which to repair should be thy chief desire.
O! change thy thought, that I may change my mind:
Shall hate be fairer lodg\'d than gentle love?
Be, as thy presence is, gracious and kind,
Or to thyself at least kind-hearted prove:
Make thee another self for love of me,
That beauty still may live in thine or thee.
--William Shakespeare</pre>
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from personality. But, of course, only those who have personality and emotions know what it means to want to escape from
these things.
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